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  Nice little summary by Barbara Anderson re dear old Geoffrey GB and "presumptuousness"...

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jw governing body claims to be the faithful slave.

  did you know how (in sworn testimony during the recent australian royal commission hearing) governing body member geoffrey jackson responded to the question, do you see yourselves as jehovahs spokespeople on earth?.

  jackson replied, that, i think, would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using.. really?

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  Sail Away

  My never-baptized, yet somehow believing JW father had a favorite saying. It comes to mind now-- "Gag a maggot!"
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  Done.....done done done....

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my wife and i just found out that our disassociation was announced last night.

  we....are...free!.

  i'd like to take a moment to thank some people:.

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  Sail Away

  Dubstepped, congratulations to you and your wife!
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  Testing if i can post..

  by defender of truth in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  please delete this.

  (not able to post right now).

  sorry about all the pm's asking people to sign the petition.. if that's why i was banned from posting.

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  Sail Away

  No need to be sorry. It takes a while to learn to navigate the forum. New posters have a daily posting limit to prevent spamming, etc. I'm sure it's in the forum guidelines.

  Welcome!
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  The elderly sisters are at it again.

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  awhile back, about a year and a half ago, when i was starting to wake up, i explained to my mom that when the circuit overseer is in town, they schedule shepherding calls after lunch, not because they care, but because they dont want to work door to door in the hot summer or cold winter.

  and they know that a prepared call means some nice hot chocolate and cookies or some ice cold tea and snacks.

  i remember her looking at me kind of funny so i ended the conversation and left it at that, and never brought it up again.

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  Sail Away

  I wish I could do more than "Like" your post! LOVE this!
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  Emma art

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  dark were my thoughts when i drew these after losing emma.....she was so beautiful...i thought i might say more with art than complaining......

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  Sail Away

  Umbertoecho, I'm so very sorry for the loss of your dear child.
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  As a Matter of Conscience, I Am Resigning from the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Sail Away in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after listening to the hearings of the australian royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse, i am no longer content to have simply walked away from the organization.

  as a matter of conscience, i do not want my name linked with the organization in any way.

  i know this letter has been posted previously, and i thank the author.

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  Sail Away

  My attorney has approved the text of my letter. He said it is well written and researched and he would not change a thing.Thanks again to all who have contributed to the content. I will be sending a letter to each of the two local congregations.

  The next step is for my attorney to write a cover letter summarizing what I have stated, closing with instructions for the elders to call him if they have any questions. Further he will state that under no circumstances are they to contact me. I'll post his cover letter when I receive it.

  Sail Away

  September xx, 2015
  
  Address
  
  SENT BY US MAIL, REGISTERED, CERTIFIED, RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
  
  To:

  The Body of Elders of the [named] Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses

  C/o [xxx], Congregation Secretary

  Address

  After listening to sworn testimony of victims of child sexual abuse within the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia, Jehovah’s Witness elders and a governing body member in a public hearing of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, as a matter of conscience and to exercise of my rights under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I, Sail Away, hereby resign from The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, et al, the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, et al, and the [named] Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses effective immediately, September xx, 2015.

  
  I hereby declare myself no longer a member.
  
  As a non-member, I demand complete freedom from all religious practices, which include but are not limited to discipline and retaliation. Examples of such religious practices may include a formal announcement of my non-member status before the [named] Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses or any other congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, shunning, intentional infliction of emotional distress, harassment, slander, invasion of privacy, etc. Should you engage in any such conduct towards me, I will immediately and fully utilize all legal means to stop those acts. Any and all of the above-named parties may be held jointly and severally responsible.
  
  Please refer to the following:

  · Bear v. Reformed Mennonite Church

  · Guinn v. Church of Christ of Collinsville

  · Hadnot v. Shaw

  · McNair v. Worldwide Church of God

  Furthermore, I request immediate, complete, and permanent cessation from all contact from church elders, ministerial servants, circuit overseers or any other member appointed to a position of authority in the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This includes, but is not limited to mail, electronic communications, telephone and in-person visits taking place at my residence (address noted above), workplace, or elsewhere.

  Please be aware that I will consider any in-person visits by appointed men on private property henceforth to be trespassing, and should that occur, I will utilize all legal means to stop that act, including but not limited to civil and criminal complaints. Personal social approach in public is always welcomed and appreciated. I have no quarrel with individual members of the congregation, but again, I do not want to be further burdened by coercion from these organizations’ appointed authorities acting in that capacity.
  
  Thank you in advance for respecting my right to freedom from religion.
  
  Signed,

  Sail Away

  [insert notary stamp and signature, if you're using one]
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  Hello

  by Munster Abu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new here but looking forward to joining in some of the discussions with you all.. a small bit about me: i'm shane.

  was raised as a jw in the uk by my mum (single parent family) from about 2 years of age.

  got baptised at 15 for all the wrong reasons.

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  Sail Away

  Welcome Irish Shane!
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  Did You Ever Hear a Non-Witness Opinion After They'd Attended Their first Meeting?

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was about 12. i took a friend along to a meeting and he said he didn't mind learning stuff but it was a shame it was so boring.. i was about 14. i had my very own bible study and took him along.

  he just kept whispering about the girls there that he fancied.. i was in my early 20's.

  i took along a lady that i knew.

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  Sail Away

  Yes, I gave a meeting schedule to a woman who then showed up at the Congregation Book Study at the KH (before it became the Congregatoin Bible Study). We were studying the Revelation Climax book. She said it was "just plain crazy" and never came to another meeting. Deep down inside I agreed with her.
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  Cognitive Dissonance Runs Deep

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while it is true that maybe 1 or 2 things woke you up (like myself), it is interesting to reflect on the reality of what you did not believe, even if you were a true believer and would of died for the organization.

  here is my list (not a complete list, i'm sure their is more).

  what is your list like?.

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  Sail Away

  Yes, cognitive dissonance does run deep. There is a lot of wisdom in JWDaughter's post. Some stay out of loyalty; I stayed out of fear for my family's lives. I was the last JW standing in my family. I bought the line that I needed to remain loyal to Jehovah and the organization so my family would have a reason to come back. This is pure, unadulterated emotional blackmail. All exJWs do reach a tipping point. I did after over four decades of cognitive dissonance:

  I never served with the hope of living in a paradise earth. My grandfather had molested me as a child, and I had no desire to live with him forever. Later as a wife and mother, I had no desire to be in paradise without my husband and children who were no longer JWs. If I was in paradise without them, in order to be happy, wouldn't Jehovah has to erase all memory of them? Who would that be in paradise? It wouldn't be me. I was a wife and a mother.

  I regretted giving up a college education to "pioneer where the need was great". Why did I have to quash my desire to learn and explore my creativity to serve God? Wouldn't He want me to use all of my talents to serve Him? Even as an all-in JW, I made sure my kids knew they had the choice to go to college to pursue their interests and talents.

  It broke my heart that a dear friend deeply desired to have a child, and her elder husband insisted they wait until after Armegeddon. In the late '70s and early '80s there was a lot of pressure not to have children. Why would a loving God create in a woman the deep desire to have a child, and then demand that she wait a thousand years or more. This woman became a shawdow of her former self.

  Stay married at all costs. Adultry is the only grounds for divorce. As a teen I was horrified by an experience given at a Circuit Assembly. A JW wife stayed with her raging and physically abusive husband in order to "win him without a word". She even allowed another JW couple to raise her daughter in order to keep her safe from his abuse. Wasn't it the mom's responsibility to raise her dauther in "The Truth"? Jehovah blessed the wife and "called her to peace" when he died of a heart attack. Seriously?

  A loyal pioneer wife separated (not legally) from her abusive husband. They lived apart, but she continued to go to his home, make him meals and have sex with him in order to fulfill her "wifely duty". You can make this stuff up.

  Another dear friend stayed married to her bi-sexual unfaithful husband, because he didn't commit adultery. Adultery was defined to be between a man and a woman. A decade later, when he cheated again, she was free to remary, because the new definition of porneia included homosexuality. By then she felt she was too old to divorce, and they are financially dependent on each other. They are not legally separated, but live in separate apartments on separate floors in their home. He is DF'd. She can't pioneer, because she is "not living an exemplary life". Legalism to the extreme.

  As some point in studying the Isaiah book, I discovered that the chronology around 1914 was off. I approached the elders. They couldn't help me, so they suggested I write to Bethel. I did and got a 6-page response that did not address the discrepancy. The elders asked if I understood the explanation. I said I did. I understood that they didn't have an answer.

  I also wrote to Bethel about blood fractions. They wrote back that I had all the information I needed to make an informed conscientious decision as a faithful Christian. They didn't address the flaws in the doctrine at all.

  As others have mentioned, I never bought the Revelation Climax book and its far-fetched application of modern-day events as fulfillment of prophesy. Do you remember having to go through the book and edit out all of the changes? "New light?" I find that so ludicrous now. What was I thinking? I didn't believe it the first time, and I certainly didn't by the "New Light."

  My first thought when hearing the "Overlapping Generation" doctrine was, "That's crap!!!" I literally laughed to the point of having to leave my seat at the D.C. when, after a big build up to a change in the understanding of Daniel's dream image, they announced, 'The toes in the image have no special meaning.' After decades of pouring over their teachings on endtimes prophesy, were they now saying we are no longer living in "The End of this System of Things?"

  Unloving legalism around disfellowshipping and shunning nearly killed me. It landed me in a 3-month Intensive Out-patient Program for severe clinical depression and PTSD.

  I remember standing in the bathroom in my DF'd daughter-in-law's hospital room pleading with two elders on the telephone to come and shepherd our family. My DIL was dying of cancer. Her mom, my son and I were all still loyal JWs. I asked them, "Where is the mercy and love?" They reprimanded me for being disrespectful of their authority, but later condescended to visit in the family room at the hospital. They refused to enter her hospital room, and my son refused to leave his wife's side.

  Later when my son was struggling with the aftermath of all of this, he was living with us and was DF'd. He had understandably acted out in his pain. I knew I would be required to shun him once he left our home. Why was it OK to have a relationship with my daughter who walked away from the organization at age 17 by simply "respectfully declining" a shepherding call. She had commited the same "sins" my son was DF'd for. The elders told me when she returned she would have to deal with the consequenses of her actions. In the meantime, I could have her in my life, but I wouldn't be able to love and support my son at the lowest point in his life. That just wasn't going to happen. Why did the elders kick him to the curb, endangering his life?

  One day at a Service Meeting it all came to a head. I knew that I just could not stand to hear them say one more time , "We need to do more in the ministry because so many people are going to die at Armageddon." That was my tipping point. Somehow my brain heard, "Your kids are going to die!" I walked away a believer, but started researching TTATT within months.

  Vinman, you have another thread about your absorption with TTATT and not knowing what to do with your life post JW. Give it time. I have heard others say it takes a month for every year you were in. That would be 42 months for me, and that timing is about right. Easy does it. There is no hurry. Armageddon isn't coming tomorrow!
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  2016 SPECIAL TALK---ARE YOU ON THE ROAD TO EVERLASTING LIFE?

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are you on the road to everlasting life?.

  note to the speaker: help bible students and interested ones to understand why and how to make further spiritual progress..

  emphasize the many sources of help available, and warmly encourage them to act without delay.

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  Sail Away

  I can't even begin to read the outline. Same song, second verse.